Anyone paired a PT/ANT computer with and Cinqo crank?

I don't think the PT's head unit is ANT+, is it?

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Bikey

2008-12-16 06:23:42 UTC

I asked Saris this today and after either using the hub updater or
buying the ANT+ Powertap, the CPU will work with any ANT+ device.

I don't think the PT's head unit is ANT+, is it?

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trjc

2008-12-16 11:07:10 UTC

I thought this question came up on a previous post and saris had aid
(at that time anyway) the cpu was not Ant+ . Does the firmware upgrade
the cpu as well as the hub?

Post by Bikey
I asked Saris this today and after either using the hub updater or
buying the ANT+ Powertap, the CPU will work with any ANT+ device.

I don't think the PT's head unit is ANT+, is it?

Bikey

2008-12-18 06:31:08 UTC

Yes, Saris said that both the hub and the CPU are updated. I would
really like to use the basic PTap headunit with my Cinqo.

Post by trjc
I thought this question came up on a previous post and saris had aid
(at that time anyway) the cpu was not Ant+ . Does the firmware upgrade
the cpu as well as the hub?

Post by Bikey
I asked Saris this today and after either using the hub updater or
buying the ANT+ Powertap, the CPU will work with any ANT+ device.

I don't think the PT's head unit is ANT+, is it?

The dude

2008-12-19 06:02:59 UTC

That's very interesting. Are you going to give it a try? Let us know
how it works out!

Yes, Saris said that both the hub and the CPU are updated. I would
really like to use the basic PTap headunit with my Cinqo.

Post by trjc
I thought this question came up on a previous post and saris had aid
(at that time anyway) the cpu was not Ant+ . Does the firmware upgrade
the cpu as well as the hub?

Post by Bikey
I asked Saris this today and after either using the hub updater or
buying the ANT+ Powertap, the CPU will work with any ANT+ device.

I don't think the PT's head unit is ANT+, is it?- Hide quoted text -

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Bikey

2008-12-19 06:08:43 UTC

Yes, I am going to give it a try. I should be getting my PTap ANT+
updater sometime in early January.

That's very interesting. Are you going to give it a try? Let us know
how it works out!

Yes, Saris said that both the hub and the CPU are updated. I would
really like to use the basic PTap headunit with my Cinqo.

Post by trjc
I thought this question came up on a previous post and saris had aid
(at that time anyway) the cpu was not Ant+ . Does the firmware upgrade
the cpu as well as the hub?

Post by Bikey
I asked Saris this today and after either using the hub updater or
buying the ANT+ Powertap, the CPU will work with any ANT+ device.

I don't think the PT's head unit is ANT+, is it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Brad Ford

2008-12-16 17:32:08 UTC

Post by rooooster
Anyone know if this is possible? Or if there are any simpler options
on the way? The PT head certainly has its weaknesses but I already
have one and the Garmin has way more features than I need or want. The
Qrainium, whenever it arrives, looks like it's going to be pretty
pricey and as I understand it the iPhone/ipod they showed in Vegas was
just a hack as Apple doesn't want to play nice.

Hmmm, ok you've piqued my curiosity. What was the "iphone/ipod hack"
they showed in Vegas? And how exactly is Apple playing nice or not
nice?

-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

Post by rooooster
Thanks for any info.
Alex

Chris Cleeland

2008-12-16 17:36:33 UTC

Post by Brad Ford
Hmmm, ok you've piqued my curiosity. What was the "iphone/ipod hack"
they showed in Vegas? And how exactly is Apple playing nice or not
nice?

I'd like to know as well.

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

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rooooster

2008-12-16 19:40:14 UTC

BTW.
I may have butchered the technical explanation for the reason why this
hasn't been able to work so far- I am not an engineer. I am working
off information I have received from different people in the industry
(cycling). It was unclear to me whether it was an issue related to
incorporating ANT+ into the phone, programming an app or whether it is
at all possible for it to communicate with a hub or crank without a
dongle. Apparently the one shown in the picture from Interbike had to
be hacked and an engineer at Quarq put together the dongle that
allowed the crank to communicate with the iTouch. It certainly may not
be related to Apple being intentionally difficult (they do have a
great product) but merely all of the parties concerned figuring out
how to make all of this work, understanding the possibilities, etc..
Those guys at Apple are pretty darn smart but I would be surprised if
anyone had anticipated either an itouch or iphone doubling as a
powermeter, hrm or bike computer when first designed. I certainly
hadn't considered it until I started doing the math (on cost, display
size, function- minus waterproofness) and tried out the Trailguru and
MapMyRide apps for the iphone. Using one as a powermeter/hrm
definitely has limitations but it is an interesting proposition. Maybe
Brad or someone from smheartlink can offer a better explanation or
what might be in the pipeline. smheartlink does sound promising.

Best.

Alex

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

Jim@Quarq

2008-12-16 20:42:18 UTC

Currently the PowerTap computer is not ANT+ and therefore is not
compatible with the CinQo. Any future plans are in the Saris domain.
We will support all ANT+ head units that we can.

Regarding the iPhone/iPod hack, just like the Sharpie branding showed
in the photo, it is a hack. The basic problem is that Apple does not
allow any third party attachments to openly communicate over the
serial port on the dock connector. If Apple opens up the serial
port on the dock connector, we will be able to bring an ANT+ iPhone
dongle device to market. Until then, it is all in the realm of
hacking, as it requires jail-breaking the iPhone.

The SMHeart Link uses a low power WiFi link to talk to the iPhone.
(Apple doesn't restrict access to the WiFi network)

Jim

Post by rooooster
BTW.
I may have butchered the technical explanation for the reason why this
hasn't been able to work so far- I am not an engineer. I am working
off information I have received from different people in the industry
(cycling). It was unclear to me whether it was an issue related to
incorporating ANT+ into the phone, programming an app or whether it is
at all possible for it to communicate with a hub or crank without a
dongle. Apparently the one shown in the picture from Interbike had to
be hacked and an engineer at Quarq put together the dongle that
allowed the crank to communicate with the iTouch. It certainly may not
be related to Apple being intentionally difficult (they do have a
great product) but merely all of the parties concerned figuring out
how to make all of this work, understanding the possibilities, etc..
Those guys at Apple are pretty darn smart but I would be surprised if
anyone had anticipated either an itouch or iphone doubling as a
powermeter, hrm or bike computer when first designed. I certainly
hadn't considered it until I started doing the math (on cost, display
size, function- minus waterproofness) and tried out the Trailguru and
MapMyRide apps for the iphone. Using one as a powermeter/hrm
definitely has limitations but it is an interesting proposition. Maybe
Brad or someone from smheartlink can offer a better explanation or
what might be in the pipeline. smheartlink does sound promising.
Best.
Alex

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

Boyd Johnson

2008-12-16 20:57:32 UTC

But there is something that can be done with a Windows Mobile Phone
reading a power signal from Ant+, and then you open it up to features
beyond just reading a power signal. A friend of mine has ordered the
Ant+ developer kit and we're going to work on some pretty cool
applications. But it would need to be a Windows Mobile phone. . .they
play nice with third party applications without voiding your warranty.

Post by ***@Quarq
Currently the PowerTap computer is not ANT+ and therefore is not
compatible with the CinQo. Any future plans are in the Saris domain.
We will support all ANT+ head units that we can.
Regarding the iPhone/iPod hack, just like the Sharpie branding showed
in the photo, it is a hack. The basic problem is that Apple does not
allow any third party attachments to openly communicate over the
serial port on the dock connector. If Apple opens up the serial
port on the dock connector, we will be able to bring an ANT+ iPhone
dongle device to market. Until then, it is all in the realm of
hacking, as it requires jail-breaking the iPhone.
The SMHeart Link uses a low power WiFi link to talk to the iPhone.
(Apple doesn't restrict access to the WiFi network)
Jim

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

Greg Steele

2008-12-16 21:16:48 UTC

Yeah, but then you have to USE a winMo phone - blech!

:)

G

Post by Boyd Johnson
But there is something that can be done with a Windows Mobile Phone
reading a power signal from Ant+, and then you open it up to features
beyond just reading a power signal. A friend of mine has ordered the
Ant+ developer kit and we're going to work on some pretty cool
applications. But it would need to be a Windows Mobile phone. . .they
play nice with third party applications without voiding your warranty.

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

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CTracer

2008-12-16 23:58:59 UTC

I have an iphone and while I love it, it's not something that you want
to use as a cycling computer. In a pinch it would be ok sitting in
your back pocket in a zip-lock bag but the iphone has zero weather
proofing. It would be fried after the 1st rain shower it sees. An Ant
+ PT head unit would be great, the functionality and size are
perfect. I just ordered a Garmin 705 for my Cinqo as it is the only
game in town at this time.

CTracer

Post by Greg Steele
Yeah, but then you have to USE a winMo phone - blech!
:)
G

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

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daijoubu

2008-12-17 18:18:53 UTC

This must be a licensing issue. Take a look at the Nike+ and it's dongle.
Nike even has drawn up plans for a network of devices including a HR
monitor as additions to the Nike+ line.
Rob

Post by CTracer
I have an iphone and while I love it, it's not something that you want
to use as a cycling computer. In a pinch it would be ok sitting in
your back pocket in a zip-lock bag but the iphone has zero weather
proofing. It would be fried after the 1st rain shower it sees. An Ant
+ PT head unit would be great, the functionality and size are
perfect. I just ordered a Garmin 705 for my Cinqo as it is the only
game in town at this time.
CTracer

Post by Greg Steele
Yeah, but then you have to USE a winMo phone - blech!
:)
G

Post by rooooster
BTW.
I may have butchered the technical explanation for the reason why

this

Post by rooooster
hasn't been able to work so far- I am not an engineer. I am working
off information I have received from different people in the

industry

Post by rooooster
(cycling). It was unclear to me whether it was an issue related to
incorporating ANT+ into the phone, programming an app or whether it

Post by rooooster
at all possible for it to communicate with a hub or crank without a
dongle. Apparently the one shown in the picture from Interbike had

Post by rooooster
be hacked and an engineer at Quarq put together the dongle that
allowed the crank to communicate with the iTouch. It certainly may

not

Post by rooooster
be related to Apple being intentionally difficult (they do have a
great product) but merely all of the parties concerned figuring out
how to make all of this work, understanding the possibilities, etc..
Those guys at Apple are pretty darn smart but I would be surprised

Post by rooooster
anyone had anticipated either an itouch or iphone doubling as a
powermeter, hrm or bike computer when first designed. I certainly
hadn't considered it until I started doing the math (on cost,

display

Post by rooooster
size, function- minus waterproofness) and tried out the Trailguru

and

Post by rooooster
MapMyRide apps for the iphone. Using one as a powermeter/hrm
definitely has limitations but it is an interesting proposition.

Maybe

Post by rooooster
Brad or someone from smheartlink can offer a better explanation or
what might be in the pipeline. smheartlink does sound promising.
Best.
Alex

Post by Brad Ford
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

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Chris Cleeland

2008-12-17 18:22:24 UTC

Post by daijoubu
This must be a licensing issue. Take a look at the Nike+ and it's dongle.

Enough money gets you what you want.

I bet if Jobs rode a bike and wanted to train with power, there'd be
an official way to do it.

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Brett Gaspers

2008-12-22 05:03:58 UTC

I totally agree. My iPhone is in my back pocket as an emergency
communications/redneck reporting device, but I don't entertain an
thoughts of using it as a training tool. If you think the 705's
battery life sucks, wait until you try an iPhone. The iPhone GPS is
particularly notorious for sucking up the iPhone's limited battery
life.

Plus, I don't really want to have my phone out in the open on my
handlebar waiting to be skewered in a crash (not that the phone in my
back pocket will be much better off, but I guess in either situation I
have more important things to worry about. Then again, as the saying
goes, flesh heals, Campy (iPhone) doesn't).

Brett

Post by Greg Steele
Yeah, but then you have to USE a winMo phone - blech!
:)
G

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-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

-cj
(an engineer looking for an excuse to get an iPhone)

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Tom_Anhalt

2008-12-16 17:46:21 UTC

Hmmm, ok you've piqued my curiosity. What was the "iphone/ipod hack"
they showed in Vegas? And how exactly is Apple playing nice or not
nice?
-Brad Ford
(an engineer who works on the iPhone)

He's probably talking about this:

http://www.smheartlink.com/
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rooooster

2008-12-16 19:03:42 UTC